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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

5052.968 - 5073.642 Rod Blagojevich

And so that gave me real purpose. And I had those moments when despair would creep in. It's very natural. I mean, a lot of blue moments, as you can imagine. I could never, ever, ever let myself get so down that I would not be active in any given day. I had to go out there and run those miles and lift the weights, do push-ups, whatever it was, read those books, do the stuff I would write about.

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