The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Joe Rogan
But I've talked to too many people that have had these sort of like you've had these breakthrough moments in life where you come into contact with something by opening yourself up to it. And it's so cynical just to disregard that. Everybody wants to pretend that they're smarter than they really are. It's a terrible trait that we all have.
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