The Joe Rogan Experience
#2213 - Diane K. Boyd
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And this world is like interdependent. There's so many things going on. Right. And so people like I remember there was a documentary that came out how wolves changed rivers in Yellowstone. And they made this incredibly rosy picture of wolves coming in and it brought in beavers and they changed the rivers and the lakes and everything was better. And it's like, no, not really.
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