The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Joe Rogan
I think all those things are happening. I think that one has been documented clearly throughout human history. There's been these experiences, and you've got to chalk some of them up to bullshit, lies, hysteria. But there's too many that are too similar. And I'm in the middle of Jacques Vallée's book. Have you read any of his stuff? I've read almost all of it.
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