The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Unnamed Speaker
I mean, I use PSYOP or whatever you call it, because a lot of people are experienced of ordinary normie experiences of government is going to the DMV, right? So you go, wow, the DMV, yeah, that's the government. The people that are working at the CIA and the FBI, those high levels are best, they're like some of the smartest people in the world.
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