#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8789.799 - 8812.389 Unnamed Speaker

She goes, they says, there's something like, they both kind of go, well, you know, um, the reason we, this is just UFOs are obviously a conspiracy theory is because, you know, the government can't, you know, the government is incompetent and can't get away with this kind of thing. Well, that is madness. Because, of course, the U.S. government is actually very good at keeping secrets.