#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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I mean, this is the question we're always asking, which is like how because, you know, if you read the histories I've been, you know, I'm now, by the way, I'm so I'm going to spend three months in Austin every year now because I'm the CBR chair of of politics, censorship and free speech at the University of Austin. I'm the first and only endowed chair there. So so it's exciting.