#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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I mean, the Europeans somehow – I mean, the Dutch, for example, they're very secular. I mean, these Western European societies, they have far less belief in God than in the United States. And yet somehow, you know, they keep raising their kids to be more disciplined than we're raising our kids. They don't have as – they have, you know, of course – Their cultural philosophy is better.