#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And that was my attraction to Brazil, too, was that, I mean, here you, I mean, and to the Workers' Party and to Lula. I mean, he was super, he had all the stuff that you loved about the left, but he was going to respect free speech. So I, you know, basically after the Tour Files Brazil and the Workers' Party, you know, and Lula just start defending censorship, then I start going after Lula, too.