#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7081.111 - 7100.763 Joe Rogan

Yeah, we've had this conversation a bunch of times about, do you just pull the bandaid off and allow that to take place? And so if you don't, you keep empowering the cartel. So your vision is to keep pumping money, billions and billions of dollars every year into the cartel. There's no other way. You're not going to stop. There's no magic wand that you have that's going to stop addiction.