#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4637.708 - 4658.24 Joe Rogan

There's some people that realize there's certain vices that you can do in moderation and they're fine. A couple glasses of wine at dinner and everyone's laughing and having a great time. There's nothing wrong with that. But there's certainly some people that cannot handle that. And I think we need to give those – if you want a better, stronger society, we need to develop tools for –