#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4574.815 - 4596.948 Joe Rogan

That's true, but I think it's a tool in the toolbox. And I think to demonize that tool, because some people have a bad effect on it, it's like to demonize all the things that people enjoy that you could consider legal vices, like gambling. I do not think you should outlaw gambling, but I think some people should not fucking gamble. I grew up, well, in my 20s, my early 20s, in a pool hall.