The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
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Yeah, I mean, for me personally, the funny thing is I had this, just coincidentally, I have this deep relationship with Brazil because I lived in Brazil in the early 90s. I was working, I was actually working towards my PhD in the semi-Amazon. I went to Rio and Sao Paulo. I interviewed Lula in 1994, sat across from him just like I'm standing across from you right now.
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