#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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I always heard that he was a great guy when Jair Bolsonaro was the president. The narrative was Bolsonaro was a dictator, that he was a bad guy. But I know so many Brazilians from jujitsu. I know so many Brazilians and they all love Bolsonaro. I was like, I am so confused about their politics over there. I don't know what's going on. But Lula was supposed to be this guy that was for the people.