The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Joe Rogan
Right. It's sort of like every other institution where people want to get ahead. You have to play the rules. Yeah. You have to play the game by the rules that's established by the people that are controlling the game. It's conformism. It's just bizarre when that happens with science and mathematics and with all these different things that we thought of as these... Hard sciences.
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