The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
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Koldoff and then, I can't remember, Sunitra Gupta from Oxford, I think is the third. But yeah, I mean, even a more dramatic example is like, you know, a lot of the people that did the early pioneering work showing that COVID escaped from a lab were like anonymous people on the internet, anonymous sleuths.
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