#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2671.144 - 2692.978 Joe Rogan

Some of them have degrees. Some of them are just brilliant people that have spent a lot of time studying things. And there's a lot of them. There's a lot of people. So when you have all these people debating things and you want to maintain control and push a narrative, that shit gets very messy. And the best way to handle that is to have certain people be the stern purveyors of the science.