#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2464.923 - 2487.376 Joe Rogan

So you're connected to educational institutions. You're connected to these pharmaceutical industries, these various institutions that are funding media. So they have enormous influence and power over narratives. And then you have people like Bill Nye, who's not even a scientist. No, I know he's an engineer. Which is really wild, right? A guy who's not a scientist is the science guy.