#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1859.874 - 1881.609 Joe Rogan

So it does allow transmission. So he kind of admitted all those things. But like, oh, we'll do better next time was sort of the gist of it. Right. And this idea that you have to use – you can't have people talking about inconvenient things that eventually turn out to be true seems crazy to not push back on. And the fact that he said that and there was no response whatsoever in mainstream media.