The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
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I mean if you can – The holy grail for, I mean, it's like Sun Tzu, you know, the best way to win is by not having to fight, you know? So if you can not have to fire any bullets, if you don't, you know, CIA 1.0 after World War II, you know, it's a crude military overthrow of governments.
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