#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1172.646 - 1199.652 Joe Rogan

So do you think when social media first came along, they sort of underestimated the potential and they let it become what it is? And then once it got so huge, then they tried to infiltrate, like perhaps after 2016? Then they try to infiltrate and kind of realize it's a little too late because there's just too many people like yourself and substack people and podcasters. There's just too much.