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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And we know it's so effective because the other thing it does is it scares everybody else off. So you end up only – the few people that are willing to do this are people that are more confident. They've got a career. They're not worried like I'm – Or they're just people that just feel compelled.

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