#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11459.821 - 11480.114 Joe Rogan

Sure. Well, especially all these people that have been lying to Congress and misallocating funds and are a part of these programs that are hidden programs. You could go to jail for that. You could lose your career if they blame one person or blame a group of people and they decide, well, it was Mike's idea. Mike's in trouble. Mike gets brought in front of Congress and you're in real deep shit.