#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10220.657 - 10239.824 Joe Rogan

It's going to get a lot of people fired, a lot of people are going to lose their careers if they lie to Congress, if they misappropriated funds. There's a lot of weird stuff that gets attached to that. And so I think there is some sort of, whether it's the government, whoever's doing it, there's some sort of sophisticated disinformation campaign that's essentially tied to everything.