#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

5840.848 - 5862.813 Calley Means

But there's pings of that consciousness happening. That's why I think the leadership is so damn important here, Joe. It's like when this stuff is under the shadows and when the FDA is able to lobby to fund the organization that's supposed to regulate it, when the USDA is lobbying – excuse me, when food companies are lobbying – you know, to have the USDA not have any conflicts of interest.