The Joe Rogan Experience
#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
Casey Means, MD
And I think this is why the freedom of speech issue is actually so important and so existential, because the thing that gives me hope right now, like this all sounds dark, but we're both extremely optimistic. But if the ability to talk about these issues is taken away, that is when I would lose hope. Right. Because the fact that, you know, independent media is.
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