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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

5415.667 - 5438.966 Calley Means

There's no higher level than the NIH, than Harvard Med School. They know that. Harvard Med School is a subsidiary of pharma, just demonstrably. The FDA is 75% funded by pharma. This isn't a conspiracy. And there's a revolving door. And you've got people like Scott Gottlieb, I think the people like Trump's talking about, still thinking he's going to have power.

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