#2207 - Shawn Ryan

3159.501 - 3180.313 Joe Rogan

And he's this... guy who did it the right way and every step of the way there was this tremendous anxiety when he would go to get his visa renewed because he didn't know if he was going to get kicked out of the country because someone could arbitrarily go, no, not good enough. Because he had to prove to be here that he has skills that an American doesn't have. He's a real expert in something.