#2197 - Mike Baker

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They're not like... Oh, God. But you can't... I guess I get cynical because I don't see how it changes. I look around and I think, well, how do we... How does it get any better, I guess, is the question, right? And it's certainly not going to get better in the next short-term cycle, right? And I maybe... Maybe if – well, I don't know. I don't know how you get people out of the trenches right now.