The Joe Rogan Experience
#2197 - Mike Baker
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and it's very difficult to get people to switch teams especially when the guy on the other side is someone like Trump you know if you have someone who's like a little bit more balanced like Vivek let's say Trump didn't exist and Vivek makes it like that's a much more reasonable person for most people he's got great temperament he's really good at staying calm in the middle of like heated debates and recognizing a person's point and then adding on to it I think he's
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