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#2193 - Jack Symes

4401.528 - 4422.371 Jack Symes

Yeah, I mean, there's still a sense in which they're doing good, like when a non-human animal sacrifices themselves for their young or something. There has to be something they're going towards in order for it to be good, in the same way we freely choose. And they're getting better. at being elk to avoid that. And that's what leads to their natural selection.

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