#2190 - Peter Thiel

5233.166 - 5256.066 Joe Rogan

Yeah, I guess. But it's just such a leap. It's such a leap and different than any other animal. Like what was the primary motivating factor? Like what was the thing? You know, McKenna believes it was psilocybin. I'm sure you probably – you ever heard that theory? McKenna's stoned ape theory, which is a fascinating one. But there's a lot of different theories about what took place.