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The Ezra Klein Show

Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

1646.237 - 1670.288 Jigar Shah

And so we had to say, well, what are the best practices on megaprojects? Oh, you should be spending 10% of your entire budget up front on planning before you start construction, right? Oh, you should have higher quality workforce, right? And all these things. And so a lot of the companies were like... wait, this isn't free money? This is not a grant? And I was like, no, it's not a grant.

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