The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: How TV, Twitter and TikTok Remade Our Politics
Ezra Klein
That persuasion, I don't think, has to be high-minded. And one thing I think Trump understood is that part of the way you persuade people that you're on their side is you come to share their enemies and you expend capital, your own reputational capital. You're willing to get flayed in public
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