The Ezra Klein Show
Best Of: How TV, Twitter and TikTok Remade Our Politics
Sean Illing
And so even if he's a tyrant, and surely he is, he's also a populist. And we wouldn't think of a state like that, a country like that, as a democracy. And it's not in a sense that these are places that are kind of shape-shifting into autocracies. But to the extent those regimes or those leaders are popular, to the extent that the publics in those places have been convinced...
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