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Best Of: How TV, Twitter and TikTok Remade Our Politics

1107.997 - 1137.015 Sean Illing

We're trying to emphasize the open-endedness of it. The fact that it's always in a state of becoming. And the fact that you can say that a state is democratic and the fact that that doesn't necessarily tell you how it's governed is pretty instructive. It's not for nothing that fascism has only ever emerged out of democratic societies.

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