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The Hockey Show: Roy's 4 Nations Theory

Fri, 14 Feb 2025

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This week on The Hockey Show, it's all about the 4 Nations Face-Off! Roy, David, Rose, and Ethan chat with Adnan Virk and Anthony Di Marco about everything happening in Montreal and across the NHL. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chapter 1: Who are the hosts and guests on The Hockey Show?

00:10 - 00:30 Roy

Welcome to the Hockey Show. My name is Roy Bellamy. David Dwork's right here. He's from the Hockey News. Rosie is in the seat. And Ethan is in Montreal. Yeah, we're going to chisel him out of his hotel up there in a few minutes. Yeah, he's on ice right now. And Dan Burke from Prime Monday Night Hockey joins us here. And we're going to get started with our Snapshots.

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Chapter 2: What are the hot takes on John Gibson's impact on the NHL playoffs?

00:30 - 00:50 David Samson

What's your hot take? My hot take is... I don't know how hot it is, Adnan, but I think it's kind of common sense as we talk about at this point. But I think that John Gibson, goaltender for the Anaheim Ducks, soon to be goaltender for somebody else. He is going to have a ginormous impact on the Stanley Cup playoffs this year is my hot take. I don't know where he ends up.

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00:50 - 01:02 David Samson

He's talked about wanting to go to Carolina and Edmonton, which obviously two of the top contenders would make sense. John Gibson and Edmonton scares the bejesus out of me because he's so consistent offensively. I don't know if it would work there because I don't know if Stu Skinner is ready to give up his crease or if they do that.

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01:02 - 01:09 David Samson

But John Gibson is going to have a major impact on the playoffs within the next month or so. That is my hot take. Adnan, do you agree?

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01:09 - 01:23 Adnan Virk

Yeah, I'm with you, David. I mean, I think the Carolina one was fascinating because I'm with you. I think in Edmonton Skinner, they feel like he's the guy. Whether or not he is or not, we shall see. Obviously, was he able to get the Oilers to come final and lose in seven? But I could see that being rather uneasy if those two are there together.

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00:00 - 00:00 Adnan Virk

I think throughout the year, we've realized it's a two-goalie system. You don't have great fear of playing 70 games and somebody just, Pick up the scraps. So you do need to have a two-goal system. But then come playoff time, there does have to be an alpha male. And I don't think Gibson would want to be taking the backseat.

00:00 - 00:00 Adnan Virk

But Carolina is fascinating because Freddie Anderson's woes and injuries and obviously the fact that they swung for the fences with this rant and trade. They're trying to win right now. And if they get an upgrading goal, then maybe this could be their year. So I'm surprised Gibby's 32. It's funny. I wouldn't have known off the top of my head, but I was thinking about it.

00:00 - 00:00 Adnan Virk

He has been around longer than people realize. And it could be a steadying influence for that Hurricanes team.

Chapter 3: What is Roy's opinion on the Four Nations tournament?

01:54 - 02:04 David Samson

Yeah, even at 32, I don't think he's got a lot of wear on those tires. I think especially the last few years, whether it's been injury or whatever, I think he's pretty fresh and he's ready to win. Roy, your hot take?

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02:04 - 02:30 Roy

Yeah, fellas and lady. I'm really starting to think that this Four Nations tournament is not for the cast grab that I thought it was going to be for the NHL. No, it was specifically created. Once again, show Sidney Crosby down our collective throats. I am tired of this shit. I mean, this all started with the injury, the upper body injury that I sustained last week.

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02:30 - 02:47 Roy

And it was all, is he going to play? Is he going to play? Is he going to play? And made us wait until, what, the first day of practice to finally determine, yes, I am going to play. After saying, why? I mean, I'm trying to talk here.

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02:47 - 02:48 Rose

Yes, because I agree with you.

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00:00 - 00:00 Roy

Oh, okay. No Sidney Crosby. I thought Rosie was chirping you, but she was giving me a rub.

00:00 - 00:00 Rose

She always chirps me.

00:00 - 00:00 David Samson

No.

00:00 - 00:00 Rose

Drop that puck. You're right, because now all I see is Sidney Crosby.

00:00 - 00:00 David Samson

And even Rose is getting sick of Sidney Crosby. Look at this, Roy.

Chapter 4: Why is the cost of Barky's jersey a hot topic?

04:47 - 04:58 Rose

Yes. Barky's jersey is too expensive. You need to do a lower one because we want to buy jerseys. But with that prices, I cannot afford it. So yeah, that's my hot take.

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05:01 - 05:01 Anthony DeMarco

$240.

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05:01 - 05:08 Adnan Virk

And in the store, $280. Oh my god, that's a lot of cheddar. Yeah, I'm with you.

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05:08 - 05:09 Roy

Okay.

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00:00 - 00:00 David Samson

It's authentic, though.

00:00 - 00:00 Rose

I don't care. Give me something cheaper, even if it's not authentic.

00:00 - 00:00 David Samson

Don't they offer, like, the different, like, levels of jersey? Like, when I was growing up, you had, like, you know, your base crappy jersey with the iron on, then you got, like, you're halfway there with kind of iron, or patched on a little bit.

00:00 - 00:00 Rose

Yeah, but for four nations, no.

00:00 - 00:00 David Samson

No, no replicas. Four nations, one jersey.

Chapter 5: What was the unusual event during the KHL handshake?

06:24 - 06:39 David Samson

It's hard to get a good punch thrown because you've got this big, bulky stuff. So goalie fights generally are fun, but they're not pretty. But at the post-game handshake line, this is universally what people love about hockey. Everybody's like, oh, I love the handshake line. What the bleep? So I like this fight.

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06:39 - 06:55 Adnan Virk

Listen, David, I was excited when you said goalie fight, but I'm picturing like Ron Hextall, Felix Botvin. I'm picturing like Patrick Wathrow and Haymakers. I agree with you. I like the fact that it was over a handshake line, but I was hoping for a little more fisticuffs there. By the way, I love the Ackbar's jersey, though. Ackbar's jersey is pretty sweet.

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06:55 - 07:00 Roy

I've never seen a fight in a handshake line. I can't remember either.

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07:00 - 07:02 David Samson

But if it's going to happen somewhere, like the KHL...

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00:00 - 00:00 Roy

I guess. Too much vodka over there. My win of the week is coming from the Flames-Jets game last week. Praden Prashal caught a high stick from Mark Shifley and had some choice words from him. This has sound, Rosie, so you're going to have to put that up.

00:00 - 00:00 Ethan Podolsky

Are you flipping kidding me? High stick me in the flipping face, you flipping dummy. You're a flipping joke. He doesn't swear, eh? I thought I heard that.

00:00 - 00:00 Roy

I love it. So Mark Shifley famously does not swear, unlike the three of us in this studio. So initially, he did use an F-bomb, but we didn't have the sound potted up there. And then once he saw that Shifley was there, He flipped the switch on that. So that's the winner of the week because it's funny to me.

00:00 - 00:00 David Samson

Well, that's great awareness by him to realize mid-chirp that he's dealing with Shifley. So then he starts throwing the flip and this flip and that. And then for me, the best part of that was Lombie coming into the end. Did I just hear that correct? That's just... Perfect. I loved every minute of that.

00:00 - 00:00 Adnan Virk

I used to work with Mark Osborne, a former Maple Leaf great guy, and also did not curse, but used Flip. And it was hilarious. He was using it almost in excess. It was like a parody. Are you flipping kidding me? Enough with the Flip. Jesus.

Chapter 6: Which NHL fails were highlighted this week?

10:22 - 10:25 Adnan Virk

Did he forget to shoot or is it like a drop pass or something?

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10:25 - 10:27 David Samson

There's nobody behind him.

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10:27 - 10:35 Adnan Virk

It was almost like he brain cramped. I got to see it again. Roll it one more time again. I think David's right. I think he was meant to shoot and then try to recover with a back pass and no one's there.

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10:35 - 10:52 David Samson

It was, oh man, that was rough. And didn't we just see somebody last week try a back pass on a breakaway, and it was like an awful fail? But this one, there's nobody within five feet of him. Yeah, you're right. He whiffed on it, and he tries to recover. Oh, my God. So, you know, maybe that's just how good Kevin Lankanen has been this year, that he's got like a force field around his stick.

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00:00 - 00:00 David Samson

And maybe he should have been playing last night against the Americans. But that was, if that's not a fail, I don't know what is. He had a breakaway. He at least had a shot on goal, guys. All right.

00:00 - 00:00 Roy

I have been waiting for this one. Okay. All week, boy. All right. So by now, all of you know my feelings about the New York Islanders signing of Tony D'Angelo. And you guys obviously know my feelings about... the man, Tony D'Angelo. And I won't go into it here, but... That's what spicy takes, Roy. You agree with Brad Marchand, basically. Yes, yes, yes.

00:00 - 00:00 Roy

The only time I will agree with Brad Marchand. Tony D'Angelo, in front of his own net, with an own goal. It wasn't just a deflection. It wasn't a deflection. It was a straight-up shot into his own net.

00:00 - 00:00 David Samson

That was worse than the Nylander thing, to be honest. Yes! I mean, that's a great net front. Matthew Kachuk would be proud. Holy moly, he forgot what side of the ice he was playing on.

00:00 - 00:00 Adnan Virk

Oh, my God, dude. That's crazy. That's hilarious, Roy. You're right. Normally, if it goes off an errant stick, a skate, a puck, who knows? But that is like there's an actual shooting motion by Tony DiAngelo.

Chapter 7: What are the Oscars storylines this year?

22:15 - 22:31 David Samson

So I want to talk to you now about another head coach in this tournament, and that's John Cooper behind the bench for Team Canada. I was a little taken aback when the game ended the other night and I started looking through the stats. I started looking through the sheets and I saw the ice time for Team Canada and it really threw me a little bit just because you would think.

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22:32 - 22:47 David Samson

When you're building a team for something like this, you have your choice of guys. You know how you want to build your lines. And you would think, at least I would, that they would build a team that they could roll their four lines. And that is not what John Cooper did at all. I think Brad Marchand played 11 minutes. Keneckley played 10 minutes.

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22:47 - 23:02 David Samson

I mean, obviously, Shea Theodore going out through off the back line. But forward-wise, I was just confused because you would think that you'd want to keep guys fresh. It seemed like Canada maybe fell off a little bit after a really hot start. So I'm curious... Do you think that's something they're going to continue as the tournament goes on? Or maybe they'll even things out a little bit more?

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23:03 - 23:18 Anthony DeMarco

Well, I think they're looking to even things out because as per the line rushes today for Team Canada in practice, Konechny's coming out, Sam Bennett is coming in, and they're going to go with the all-Tampa line with Sorelli and Hagel now centered by Braden Point.

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00:00 - 00:00 Anthony DeMarco

And Bennett is going to move up to, I guess, the third line, or maybe that becomes the fourth line, and center Braden Marchand and Seth Jarvis. So clearly there was something about that bottom six that John Cooper was not overly fond of. Yeah.

00:00 - 00:00 Anthony DeMarco

For me personally, I think this is the risk that Canada ran when they did leave some more talented guys off the team, like let's say a Mark Shifley or even a Zach Hyman. Look, I know that Mitch Marner scored the winning goal, but that top line for me wasn't nearly as effective consistently at 5-on-5 with Reinhardt, McDavid, and Mitch Marner.

00:00 - 00:00 Anthony DeMarco

And I think that because of the role players, if you will,

00:00 - 00:00 Anthony DeMarco

that you brought onto this team whether that be like a sam bennett or brandon hagel or travis connect me to a lesser extent you do kind of limit how much line juggling you can do but clearly cooper was very impressed with his top six guys it was the bottom six that he wasn't a big fan of and it seems as though at least from the early indications from the line rushes that we are going to see not only a lineup change but the entire lines in the bottom six get rejigged here

00:00 - 00:00 Roy

Boy, that John Cooper's kind of biased, isn't he?

Chapter 8: How are NHL GMs reacting to injuries during the Four Nations Tournament?

32:15 - 32:34 Roy

All right, it's time to talk about how the Panthers did this week. We're going to start with Saturday versus Ottawa. It was the Kachuk Bowl, and the Panthers won 5-1. Both Kachuks ended up scoring in that game. Matthew Kachuk also had two assists. He had a three-point night, and they put the puck on net in that game, man.

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32:35 - 32:51 Roy

I mean, it was 11 shots on goal for Brady Kachuk on 13 attempts and eight shots on goal. in 11 attempts for Matthew Kachuk. And that trend would continue into last night for Four Nations. Yeah. Yeah, it was a dominating night for the Panthers, especially in that second period when they scored four.

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32:52 - 33:07 David Samson

And Matthew Kachuk got it started with the power play goal early in that second period. And really, the game kind of flipped on a switch because Ottawa was up 1-0 after the first, despite the Panthers out shooting them. I think it was like 16-8, 16-9, something like that. Linus Olmark was really good, as he has been most of the season for Ottawa.

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33:08 - 33:14 David Samson

But yeah, the Panthers, when they get rolling, dude... they're like a freight train. And that second period, it felt like the Panthers were really in their comfort zone.

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00:00 - 00:00 Ethan Podolsky

Yeah. I mean, it kind of reminds me now that I'm in foreign nations mode, it kind of reminds me of the game we watched last night, right? Where the Kachuks just kind of took over the show. And, uh, the Panthers have been doing this a lot recently where they just out shoot opponents like crazy. They kind of fall behind early and then they take control of the game in the second and third period.

00:00 - 00:00 Ethan Podolsky

And we know what they do with a lead in the third period. They put that bow constrictor on them. So, uh, it was a good way to go into the break. Like the Panthers are rolling, going into the break, which is something that they needed to be doing because they hadn't been playing very good hockey from like December to January.

00:00 - 00:00 Ethan Podolsky

And I think I mentioned this last week, but again, it just goes to show, you know, how important Aaron Eckblad is to this team because his return to the lineup pretty much lines up exactly with when the Panthers got hot and when they started looking like the Stanley cup champion, Florida Panthers again. So yeah,

00:00 - 00:00 Ethan Podolsky

It was good to see them go into the break with a big win against Ottawa and just get that momentum rolling there in first place in the division. And now, you know, we can watch these guys here at this awesome tournament and they can the other guys can rest up at home and get ready for the stretch run.

00:00 - 00:00 Roy

Ethan is currently in Montreal right now, so he was able to see, I will hope, both games. Did you see both games?

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