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Tommy Vietor: Deniability Is All That Matters

2854.33 - 2870.201 Tommy Vietor

I mean, Tim, you and I both spend a lot of times in safe spaces with people who agree with us, like MSNBC, whatever. But you know, I went on Fox the other day with Jesse waters and, um, That interview is, I heard from more people, it got more pickup than like anything else I've done. So I don't know, maybe we need a little more, a little more combat.

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