The Bulwark Podcast
Tommy Vietor: Deniability Is All That Matters
Tommy Vietor
War and Pandemic. We're on the show. We're talking about the CCP. But the Chinese money doesn't come with any strings attached around human rights. So it's a little bit easier. But you're right. I mean, it's not just that we're turning off money that gives us influence in places and China can fill the breach. It's that we're actively being dickheads
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