Tommy Vietor: Deniability Is All That Matters

2467.884 - 2489.556 Tommy Vietor

But it also, you know, there's also money for like, you know, education in Jordan, the country, which gives us enormous leverage in political influence in these places. And if we just turn that off, like that influence is now gone. And you mentioned, I mean, look, there is a lot of political attacks on foreign aid, but you mentioned PEPFAR. I mean, PEPFAR is George Bush's greatest accomplishment.