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Tommy Vietor: Deniability Is All That Matters

1878.632 - 1899.982 Tommy Vietor

And also, I mean, the worst case scenario is you fly a bunch of U.S. military aircraft into Nigerian airspace and it gets shot down. And to this day, no one knows why he lied about it. Like Mark Esper, the secretary of defense at the time, writes about it in his book. There were top Pentagon officials screaming at cash. And he was like, who fucking cares? Everything worked out in the end.

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