The Bulwark Podcast
Tom Nichols: Don't Descend into Darkness
Tom Nichols
And you're like saying, okay, nobody, even Donald Trump, nobody would do this. So in that sense, I'm like just – astonished that how quickly we've normalized saying things like defense secretary nominee Pete Hegseth, as if that's like a thing you would say outside of a parody. On the other hand, I really want to caution people against this
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