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Mark Hertling: Putin's Weakness

2524.142 - 2546.267 Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling

Yeah, there's a lot of problems with NATO. It's sometimes hard to get decisions when you're in Brussels. But boy, it's stuck around for 80 years doing some really good things in some really tough situations. Could the Europeans survive without the United States? Yeah, they could. but it wouldn't be the same alliance. I think they depend on us as much as we depend on them.

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