The Bulwark Podcast
Heather Cox Richardson: The Reality Show-ification of the Government
Tim Miller
And like, let them dunk on me so that they get more money for their YouTube, you know, so they can be like, oh, I attacked an Ever Trumper. I don't like to get involved in that kind of stuff. But I do think that engaging with the people that are consuming their, which you're right, their lies, just to be blunt about it, is something that is, I think, required. Some people have to do it.
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