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Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

1375.221 - 1402.109 Anne Applebaum

I mean, I think what Ruta was saying, the NATO Secretary General, was that naivete about the ease with which you could get a deal or negotiate with Russia is unwarranted. I'm really worried because I hear both in Europe and in the US and in Ukraine, actually, a lot of people who do seem to believe that there's, because Trump has said he wants a negotiation, that there will be one.

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