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Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

3182.805 - 3201.529 Anne Applebaum

control and dictate and use different kinds of levers of influence over the media and over public conversation, that that's going to get much worse as well. So in that sense, we're already, it's not just Orban, by the way. I mean, this is what Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela. I think it's important for people to understand this is neither a right-wing nor a left-wing assault.

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