The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law
Anne Applebaum
you know, human rights wasn't going to work and they were looking for something else and they have this. And from their point of view, I understand it completely. And I would do the same if I were the president of Ukraine, you know, so I understand how that looks in practice. I mean, what we, we let American companies mine things in Ukraine and just turn the other
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