The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law
Anne Applebaum
So I did know about that. I mean, I knew that the Ukrainians had proposed that. I don't know the exact, to be fair, I don't know the exact terms. I don't know exactly what we're talking about, but I know they were looking for something transactional that they could offer Trump. I mean, obviously arguing to Trump on the basis of values or
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