The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law
Tim Miller
We shouldn't deal with the Russians because we've seen how the outcomes are worse. So there's that tangible example of it. And then there is also Just the other side, just even looking at this from just the Trump perspective, it's like once you take away our values-based argument, then it's just like who can get theirs-based argument. And that's going to be a loser for us too.
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