#167 Lindy Li - Obama’s Third Term, Kamala Paying Beyoncé, Cardi B, and Oprah

5310.053 - 5336.81 Lindy Li

It's not mutually exclusive because they didn't get along because they were all vying for the most power. Like amongst themselves. They were vying for ascendancy amongst themselves, but they were still executing his agenda. Like they... Obama continues to be a more forceful figure than Biden is. And he was the draw at fundraising events. He was the reason why people were showing up.